Working the Clouds: NextGen Infrastructure for New Entrepreneurs
Now there is a panel, Working the Clouds: NextGen Infrastructure for New Entrepreneurs. Panelists include:
* Geva Perry GigaSpaces
* Jason Hoffman Joyent
* Tony Lucas XCalibre
* Lew Moorman Rackspace
* Christophe Bisciglia Google
* Joe Weinman AT&T
CB: Google App Engine can be called a cloud but it is a little different that allows you to only focus on very high levels.
Q: Are we selling our souls when moving to cloud? Or should we not worry about lock-in?
There are no standards yet. To take advantage of cloud you need to embed it into code. It does create some locking issues. Hopefully in future there will be standards. If you're going to scale on EC2 and have scripts to automatically launch instances then moving to a different cloud will create issues. A lot of clouds that are gaining traction have very custom APIs. There is going to be a proprietary stack. On the other hand we will see convergence towards standards based platform. Then we end up with choice where you will then make decision based on your strengths.
There is still value in proprietary technologies. The more value you are going to build for your customers, the more proprietary the technology behind it would be. Both open and proprietary markets have their potential.
Even though App Engine is proprietary, the documentation is very open. If you are using Big Table, you are kind of selling your soul. Until Google open sources BigTable so users can export their data, it is locked-in.
API that Google provides isn't specific to BigTable. One of the criteria is how scalable the platform is. Christophe Bisciglia thinks that Google is a step ahead of Google when it comes to BigTable and their platform.
One shouldn't be locked into proprietary data store, period.
But, CB insists that BigTable performs better. There are things for which relational databases don't perform well. There is a sacrifice but it allows you to scale. What differentiates providers is how low their latency is and how scalable the infrastructure is and how protected the data is.
LM: A lot of companies are not right away ready for cloud.
The dirty little secret model for cloud computing is that if licensing models don't catch up, everything can drop dead.
Cloud has become an overused term. duh!
Google has geographically distributed clusters.
Cloud computing is architecture 3.0.
There is a live stream going out at http://www.mogulus.com/structure08
Application development 5-10 years from now will be focused on the need to scale. The challenge is to move people up to cloud and provide them with tools to develop their applications the right way.
Thought shift is required for enterprises to move to cloud. CB gives an example of how people were hesitant to use banks when they came around as people were nervous of keeping their money with someone else. But then, as people realized the dangers of not keeping money at bank, banking became the norm.
AT&T will be spending $20 billion on their infrastructure.
Enterprises want to sign a contract. They don't want to just go and use credit card to start a relationship like this.
There is a big marketing problem. The word cloud means less and less everyday. Cloud is getting into the enterprise through the backdoor.
* Geva Perry GigaSpaces
* Jason Hoffman Joyent
* Tony Lucas XCalibre
* Lew Moorman Rackspace
* Christophe Bisciglia Google
* Joe Weinman AT&T
CB: Google App Engine can be called a cloud but it is a little different that allows you to only focus on very high levels.
Q: Are we selling our souls when moving to cloud? Or should we not worry about lock-in?
There are no standards yet. To take advantage of cloud you need to embed it into code. It does create some locking issues. Hopefully in future there will be standards. If you're going to scale on EC2 and have scripts to automatically launch instances then moving to a different cloud will create issues. A lot of clouds that are gaining traction have very custom APIs. There is going to be a proprietary stack. On the other hand we will see convergence towards standards based platform. Then we end up with choice where you will then make decision based on your strengths.
There is still value in proprietary technologies. The more value you are going to build for your customers, the more proprietary the technology behind it would be. Both open and proprietary markets have their potential.
Even though App Engine is proprietary, the documentation is very open. If you are using Big Table, you are kind of selling your soul. Until Google open sources BigTable so users can export their data, it is locked-in.
API that Google provides isn't specific to BigTable. One of the criteria is how scalable the platform is. Christophe Bisciglia thinks that Google is a step ahead of Google when it comes to BigTable and their platform.
One shouldn't be locked into proprietary data store, period.
But, CB insists that BigTable performs better. There are things for which relational databases don't perform well. There is a sacrifice but it allows you to scale. What differentiates providers is how low their latency is and how scalable the infrastructure is and how protected the data is.
LM: A lot of companies are not right away ready for cloud.
The dirty little secret model for cloud computing is that if licensing models don't catch up, everything can drop dead.
Cloud has become an overused term. duh!
Google has geographically distributed clusters.
Cloud computing is architecture 3.0.
There is a live stream going out at http://www.mogulus.com/structure08
Application development 5-10 years from now will be focused on the need to scale. The challenge is to move people up to cloud and provide them with tools to develop their applications the right way.
Thought shift is required for enterprises to move to cloud. CB gives an example of how people were hesitant to use banks when they came around as people were nervous of keeping their money with someone else. But then, as people realized the dangers of not keeping money at bank, banking became the norm.
AT&T will be spending $20 billion on their infrastructure.
Enterprises want to sign a contract. They don't want to just go and use credit card to start a relationship like this.
There is a big marketing problem. The word cloud means less and less everyday. Cloud is getting into the enterprise through the backdoor.
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